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Alas, where have all the men of honor gone?

Dear Andrea,

Since the start of this year I have found out that all 4 of my brothers, my Dad and my husband use porn. This has been a huge and very difficult reality that I am still struggling to come to terms with. My mom and dad raised us with strong Christian values. In fact my Dad was the Bishop of our congregation while I was growing up. I am shocked and saddened by this info. I don’t understand what is up with all the men in my life. I am worried sick for my young son. If ALL the men in his family have this problem to some extent , what hope does he have? What is wrong with men? Why can’t they be happy with what they claim to love. The more research i do into the effects of porn on men and marriages make me feel even more hopeless. It changes men’s minds, it makes them not be attracted to their wives.

With all this, i feel, what is the point. My husband of 9 years lies and lies to me, until I show him proof that I know what is going on. This has not been the first time he has lied about inappropriate actions on his part. He claims to be repentant, and goes to see the our bishop, but never really seems remorseful, just defensive. If I get upset, he gets upset and that is not productive, if I don’t he just drops it and acts like it’s not a big deal. He says it’s between him and God and so it doesn’t involve me.

I feel betrayed and angry towards all these men, for what they are doing to their wives and myself. I figure, what’s the point anymore. It’ll just happen again and my husband will never be honest about it with me for obvious reasons. He says he will, but he just keeps lying and I keep finding evidence.

So, if there is not trust, it is very hard to have love, and if there is no love than I feel, what’s the point? But what is the point of divorce either? It would kill my kids and that is NOT what I want to do to those innocent children. I feel like I don’t even want to bother with having a relationship with all these men who don’t/won’t change. I don’t even know if I believe it is possible for them to change. I hear them all diminishing the problem, saying it’s not serious.

I am becoming bitter toward men and indifferent towards the ones in my family. I know this is not a Christ-like outlook, but what else can i do? i don’t feel it wise to keep putting trust, faith and love into things that just end up hurting me and the ones around me.

I guess I am not asking for advise just sharing my grief with you about how men are slimy jerks.

–Losing all Faith in Men

Dear Losing,

I want you to know I appreciate your stumbling lamentations and am honored you chose to share them with me. Voicing your pain, anger, and sorrow represents an important step towards healing, and I encourage you to share these feelings with the Lord in prayer, too, if you haven’t already.

From personal experience, giving the Lord an earful is a great antidote to bitterness. When we offer up our hurt to Him with a willing heart, He gives us peace beyond all understanding–once we finally find the bottom of it all. One of the reasons we sometimes pray and walk away still upset and not at peace is we get tired of hurting and quit lamenting before we’ve really poured it all out before Him on the altar. Believe me, I’ve been there and done that!

So give yourself permission to hurt, to be angry, to feel violated. Give yourself permission to express it in safe places and with safe people. Just don’t stay there forever; offer it up to the Lord. We must give Him an earful, but leave what we give Him in His hands and open our hearts to receive from the Lord peace, healing, truth, and freedom. In other words, to let Him sweep away the bitterness commonly termed unforgiveness (Christianese I’ve not found in any English dictionary.)

Note this “forgiveness” is purely a heart matter; releasing the anger to God through lament. It does not restore right relationship. It does not restore the trust sin destroys along with fellowship. It is not biblical to reconcile with someone who hurt you unless they have shown fruits worthy of repentance, a serious desire and effort to change.

But we are to forgive as God forgives. Now, God does not sit around brooding angrily, reliving again and again the hurts mockers pile on Him. He loves them, does good to them, and longs for reconciliation and right relationship with them, but He can’t and won’t allow sin into His presence. Thus, if they willfully choose to remain in sin, He does, with great sadness, send them away from His presence into an utter darkness no one should wish to be the permanent abode of anyone.

You have every right to tell the men in your life, if they choose to look at porn, you will choose to not be in relationship with them. In fact, combined with lamenting and working through the painful feelings, that is the most loving and godly thing you can do.

Concerning your husband in particular, it is biblical to separate from him, remain alone, and pray and hope your husband makes the right choice and reconciles to you and the Lord. What the men in your life are doing is destroying their relationship with God as it should be destroying their relationship with you.

But, for all reading this, a strong caution: this is the relational nuclear option. Never go nuclear over trivial matters or without confidence of the Lord’s leading.

Finally, I highly recommend you pick up a copy of Reading Your Male: An Invitation to Understand and Influence Your Man’s Sexuality. While not exclusively about porn addiction, it covers the topic in depth, and will help women understand why so many of our men so easily fall into sexual sin, and what you can do to help them, especially those not already caught in it.

In the case of those already caught, one thing it does affirm: a man cannot over come porn addiction unless and until he reaches a point where he is totally and absolutely disgusted with his habit. You can help him get there by allowing him to suffer through the natural, severe consequences for his behavior. One of which is losing you. Hopefully only temporarily, but if you have a marriage left to save, that should be the most painful consequence of all and may well be all the medicine he needs to shape up.

To do otherwise is to enable sin and enabling sin is the most hateful thing you can do to a person. This will surprise some, as the truth is contrary to the world’s definition of love that many immature believers unquestioningly swallow, and I know I have struggled to overcome the lie myself. But the reality is, there’s nothing loving about enabling sin as that’s helping them down the road to Hell. They have the right to choose that path, certainly, but if you love them, you won’t get in God’s way when he allows them to suffer the consequences of their sin, or otherwise brings pain into their lives to dissuade them from a path that leads to everlasting torment.

By the way, this tough love is in the children’s best interest, too. A father’s sexual addiction affects how he relates to his children as well and the damage it leaves in their hearts is both severe and permanent without divine intervention–and the full consequences for them may not surface until years down the road.

Thus, your children would be better off not being raised by a porn/sex addict. Not only is the highly probable exposure to inappropriate sexual comments, behaviors, and images a covert form of sexual abuse, porn can lead to overt sexual abuse as well. For their sakes as well as his, you must quit enabling him, you must quit merely nagging, and allow him to suffer the consequences of his sin.

By the way, the concern for your children is another reason I recommended Reading Your Male. The book will give you loads of information that will help empower you to influence your son away from the bad example his father has been.

Freedom from Shame

Patricia writes:
> After praying that a soul tie be severed, when does the freedom from
> that soul tie begin?  When does the shame stop?

Dear Patricia,

Every journey to healing is different, Patricia. It’s much like when we first get saved. Some pray to receive Jesus and literally feel the weight of their sins lifted off them and never feel a serious temptation to go back to the old strongholds. Others struggle for years before getting the victory.

Either way, when we repent, God forgives instantly. Sometimes, though we still have to struggle with the consequences, such as a soul tie–which is simply a fancy word for human bonding, which is seen in the parent-child relationship, between siblings, and close friends as well as in romantic relationships. The soul tie is why breaking up hurts so bad and is a big reason sexual sin can be so difficult to overcome.

Shame is a different issue entirely, though. The devil wants to see the husband-wife tie severed and to keep in tact those ties we don’t have, so he’ll contrive ways to see you back in bondage. You can’t let a fear of backsliding rule you, but you do have to be alert to his schemes. One of which is shame.

It’s possible to no longer be bonded to the person, to no longer feel a pain over not being with them, no longer desire it on any level, to no longer harbor romantic feelings for them, in short, to be totally free of the soul tie, and still be continually reminded by the devil of the sin you committed with them and made to feel dirty and condemned.

The devil is the accuser of the brethren. He finds something to shame all of us about. At some point, we need to say, “Enough is enough. That was then, this is now. I am washed, I am sanctified, I am filled with the Holy Spirit, and made righteous and clean in every way! The past is past. I am a new creation in Christ; the old things are passed away, the new has come. I’m going to forget those things which lay behind and reach for those things that lay head, pressing for the mark for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

It’s scripture. We don’t have to “feel it.” We have to believe it and declare it over ourselves in faith until we do feel it.

When we finally stand up to him, and make it clear we mean it, the devil flees. Even if he comes back again later, every time we stand fast in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, we get stronger and our enemy weaker.

But sometimes, we need someone to come beside us and lift us up in 1 on 1 counseling/mentoring, preferably with your pastor, or a sister in your local church body (or community at least) who is trained in biblical counseling.


In Christ’s Victory,

Andrea Graham
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Vocation, Equal Yoking, and Redemption

I am engaged to be married I love my fiance with all my heart. My fiance recently revealed to me that she did some terrible things in her past, like having an affair with a married man and having an abortion. She still feels guilty about her past. I was taken a back by what she revealed to me, but that doesn’t make me love her any less. I on the other hand have been a committed Christian since a teenager and enjoyed working in the vineyard of the Lord. I always thought that God had a greater plan for me, that he wanted me to do something special. I prayed and asked our Lord to direct my life according to his purpose. It wasn’t long until I met and fell in love with my fiance.My question is this, could my fiance be my vocation in life, would it be possible that God could use me to bring closer to him just one soul?

Gomer’s Espoused

Dear Espoused,

He certainly could use you to bring a soul closer to Him. He uses all of us in that manner. But that is not one’s vocation in life.

The question you have to ask yourself is not, who was she? But, who is she now? Is she walking with the Lord today? Is she someone who can join you in your life vocation? A husband is the priest of his home and absolutely can minister to his spouse, but a wife is not a vocation; she is, ideally, a ministry partner.

To me, being equally yoked is not simply marrying a Christian, but marrying someone who matches you in spiritual maturity–and ideally in calling. The husband and wife were designed to labor together in the garden, with complementary roles and duties that kept with the design and nature of each. You, ideally should look for a wife who shares your faith, your convictions, and your passions, vocation wise (and career-wise unless she’s committed to keeping at home. One reason marriages fail today is the spouses are running off in opposite directions on this level. If your wife is going to work, biblically, it should be with you.) We usually unconsciously seek a spouse strong in our weak areas, though we often find the very traits that attracted later causing friction.

Now, having major regrets like this does not necessarily mean she’s not spiritually strong enough today to minister beside you in whatever God calls the TWO of you to. But it does mean she will be hindered if she’s still carrying around that bag of shame and guilt.

I would recommend you have her contact your local pro-life women’s clinic, which are listed under Abortion Alternatives in most phone books, or you can check online listings at Lifecall or Heartbeat International. Most pro-life pregnancy centers also offer post-abortion counseling/bible studies designed to lead women wounded by abortion to healing. Offer to go with her/make the call for her if she needs that support.

Assure her she will not be judged or treated harshly. The woman who greets her at the center very possibly, even probably, had been in her shoes once, and your fiancee’s own healing journey may well in time lead her into that minister’s shoes herself. The most ardent pro-life activists are often women just like your intended. One’s wounds often heal to become one’s vocation.

So if you feel like you’re seeing your vocation when you look in her eyes, your call isn’t to help her exclusively, but it could be to help women *like* her.

In Christ’s Redemption,
Andrea Graham

Review: How to Get your Husband to Listen to You

Note to CSFF tourers: I will have a review up for the webzine Mindflights tomorrow.

How to Get Your Husband to Listen to You: Understanding How Men Communicate

Nancy Cobb and Connie Grigsby seek to teach wives how men communicate in their relatively short book, How to get Your Husband to Listen to You. The book has plenty of advice to make it a worthwhile read, some novel ideas, understand the way God wired him and accept him as he is, and even more novel: don’t nag. Seriously, if you’ve read a lot of self help books on this subject, a good portion of this will seem familiar, but the personal anecdotes, short chapter lengths, and bottom-line presentation makes this among the easier-to-read volumes. I definitely could see the scriptural under pinnings.

However, I often felt the book would have been more aptly titled, “How to get the stereotypical male to listen.” There are some basics that pretty much all men share, and this book summarizes those well. Some of their sprinkled-through descriptions of the Typical Male, however, seemed as demeaning as referencing the Typical Black or Typical Female, or worse, a TV sitcom dad. The book almost seems to assume that all/most men have the same basic personality type (their husbands’ most likely.)

In truth, masculinity, like femininity, comes in varying degrees. The stereotypical male is, evidently, an Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging type. But not all men are that type any more than all women are Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving types. My own husband is an intuitive feeler, for instance. He’s a rare guy for sure, though, so that may not be a consideration for most readers. Plus even he enjoys quiet, hates nagging, is task and action oriented, and basically wants little more than to come home to a loving greeting, dinner, and a little respect. So, while masculinity is at times too narrowly defined, there is still a great deal of truth between the pages of How to Get Your Husband to Listen to You.

Trading Places Q&A

Ask Andrea: Empathy is a skill valuable in many areas of life. Can the techniques taught in Trading Places be applied in other relationships as well, including professional?

Drs. Les and Leslie Parrott: Absolutely. While Trading Places was designed for couples – with accompanying his/her workbooks – empathy is for everyone! Especially for singles who are wanting to be as ready for marriage as possible. It always pleases us when we are doing a marriage seminar somewhere around the country to discover that we have single people in the audience.

It’s never too early to learn the important skills of marriage – skills like trading places. And, by the way, we welcome singles to take the free online assessment that accompanies trading places at www.realrelationships.com.

Empathy is deserves a place in work settings. Imagine the difference in how a team functions on a project when members are making an effort to see through each other’s eyes. Or imagine the manager who is working diligently to empathize with people who report to him or her. As the saying, goes, people quit people, not companies. If you have people around you in the workplace who are “trading places,” you’re bound to love your job.

Also, empathy is huge when it comes to parenting. This is one of the most important qualities we can model for our kids. As parents of two young boys, ages 5 and 10, we are intentional about not only trying to empathize with them – being their parents – but we work hard to help them empathize with us and with each other. Empathy is at the heart of every healthy family and it doesn’t happen without great intentional efforts from mom and dad.

Drs. Les and Leslie Parrott are founders the Center for Relationship Development at Seattle Pacific University. Their bestselling books include Love Talk, Your Time Starved Marriage, and the award-winning Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts. Their work has been featured in the New York Times and USA Today and they have appeared on CNN, Good Morning America, and Oprah.

Maybe She’s Cheating . . . With Her Job (book review included)

cecil says:
on October 17th, 2007 at 8:28 am –my wife does not want any touching or kissing, and . . . she has a whole new set of slang she talks, she goes no where with the kids and i ,not even ballgames. she never wants to talk to me and is always angry. at home she dresses like a wreck but come work time she looks like miss america. can you tell me could she be cheating with someone at her work?

Dear Cecil,

Most likely, she is cheating on you–but with her work itself rather than someone at her work. What I mean by that is, from what you’ve told me, she’s fallen into the trap so many working mothers fall into: giving 100% to their careers–and giving the left overs (often close to nada) to her family.

The saddest part of this situation? The women themselves are usually as unhappy about this as their husbands and children on some level. They’ve just bought into the lie that they can have it all, and worse, that they must have it all to be whole, healthy, secure, well adjusted human beings.

So they give their all to the job they (usually or have come to) hate then come home and take their frustrations out on the family they love and really would love to give more of themselves to, but don’t have anything left (and to be fair, men fall into similar traps as well.)

And somehow it’s all your fault–if only you helped out more around the house, I would have more time for the kids, and wouldn’t be too tired at bedtime. Statements to this effect are something these ladies are likely to say to their husbands, for instance.

It’s easy for resentment to build up. You need to find time have an honest, loving but open discussion about how her focus on her career at the expense of your marriage and the kids is hurting you personally and your family. Listen to what she has to say, really listen, and share honestly your own feelings and needs, but try to get both of your focuses off your own self and onto what’s best for each other, your marriage, and your family. Use I-language, “I feel” rather than “You never . . . ”

Now, in these situations, it *is* possible for work relationships to cross the line, especially if she has a male coworker her job has her spending vast amounts of time with. I would try to share this fear with her, but make sure to do it in a non-threatening, non-condemnatory manner. You love her, and it’s natural and normal to be jealous of her time and affection. Even God Himself feels jealousy when we give what is rightfully his to another. Just make sure the love is what gets communicated, not possessiveness, selfishness, etc. But most likely, it’s exhaustion and stress, not another guy, disrupting your love life.

If she dismisses your emotions, as women have a bad habit of, try to point out what she’s doing and how she would react if you did the same to her. But if you get slammed with a wall of defensiveness and the wicked double standard so many women have, I would suggest bringing in a mediator-such as your pastor, an older married couple in the Church with experience at building healthy marriage, or a professional marriage counselor.

I’d also recommend she read Dr. Laura’s Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. The good doctor tends to put a tad too much of the responsiblity on women–men are simpler than women, but not simpletons. Healthy men are likewise easier to please and lower maintenance than women tend to be, but you’re not mindless animals driven by instinct alone as one might wrongly conclude from Dr. Laura’s book, though I don’t think that’s a conscious thought she had.

But for the woman wanting a better marriage, the book is an excellent resource–my one caveat: the lady’s Jewish, and the OT law (Tanach) allows divorce, so you have to understand that perspective is there even though she obviously knows her audience–as well as that most of us don’t take the NT law on divorce too seriously, or at least that we have some traditions of our own, such as permitting spouses of alcoholics and abusers to divorce, or more to the point, remarry, when this latter isn’t biblical.

But as I was saying, the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, for all it’s flaws, is still an excellent resource for women who want to better understand their husband’s basic needs, and who wants to change her marriage for the better, by giving her practical advice on steps she can take to not only take better care of you, but to get her own needs addressed as well. In that regards, it’s a very empowering book for women. But I can see how husbands could benefit from reading it as well. Better understanding yourself never hurt and I think there’s more a need for the “Proper Care and Feeding of Wives” than Dr. Laura would think. Change might come easier if it begins with the woman in general, she’s almost certainly right there. But that’s not helpful in situations where it’s the husband who’s most willing to change.

My advice? Treat her like she looks like Mrs. America rather than a “wreck” as you put it. it. At least once a month, send the kids to trusted friends or family for the weekend, and romance her like you did when you were dating. And try to do this before that serious talk at all possible, or at least send the kids on a sleep over and eliminate as many stressors as you can. Give her a “night off,” get the chores and any other distractions taken care of, and wash her feet if she’ll allow it (ask her to trust you–most normal, sane women will absolutely love such pampering if they give it half a chance.)

And offer her opportunities to destress–let her share the inevitable frustrations she’s having at work without offering any advice or commentary unless she specifically requests it. Most women are more interested in venting than solutions. If there’s any potential for confusion, ask if she’s wanting your advice or just venting. I realize this is a tough one for a lot of guys–but it’ll really mean a lot to her. I know your drive to help, but sometimes, the help we need/want is just to have you listening.

The Lawful Affair: With Your Wife

Dear Andrea,

I read this and wondered what you would tell these people to do.

Adam

Cyber cheats married… to each other
A married couple are divorcing after they chatted each other up on the Internet using fake names.

Full Story:
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First, I would break the reality that an affair with your wife is not grounds to divorce her. They both lied, yes. It could even be argued they both committed adultery in their hearts. But they shouldn’t be getting divorced. They should be getting a marriage counselor and dishing out forgiveness. Especially when you’re both equally guilty.

This is a marriage that could easily be saved; they said it themselves, they’re perfect for each other. In fact, before they realized they were in fact already married but thought they were having an affair, they were declaring themselves soul mates. They’ve just become wrapped up in themselves while being unappreciative of and insensitive towards their spouse.

But alas, both are too wrapped up in themselves and their hurts to see how they’ve hurt their spouse. Even realizing they were the spouse being dished on won’t wake them up. But I hope it wakes up those interested in a divorcee who are listening with a sympathetic ear as they dish on their spouse. In a no fault divorce, both parties are usually guilty. And you never hear about all the things they did.

The greatest tragedy of this is they actually fell in love with each other all over again, and actually talked about the problems in their marriage, and were too busy being disgusted by each other’s mutual dishonesty to learn a dang thing. They could possibly even skip the trip to marriage counselor and save the marriage simply by talking to each other the same way they did when they didn’t realize it was each other. Kindness, forgiveness, and continuing their love affair is exactly what they need to not only make it, but to thrive.

In Christ’s Reconciliation,

Andrea Graham

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